you said a "mouthfull"

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I am not prejudiced against culinary education, I worked as a chef for 9 years , with Johnson and Whales folks, CIA cats, and the occasional real French chef from the Cordan Bleue(sic).
But, there sure are a lot of elitist young cooks who have a major problem with even the most rudimentary skills of managing tickets like say 3 dueces, a 6 top , and like general turning of tables that any short order cook figures out in about a month in many small restraunts, which perhaps are not trying to make a culinary statement, but, trying to make a " profit"
And how about the ACF ( American culinary federation)
as a guy who started as a pearl diver( dishwasher) and was sautee and su chef of prominent locations, I have found them to be as warm as Mr Burn's from the Simpson's to non ACF folks.chefs.

I have to footnote this whole soap box lecture with the fact that I'm a commercial Painting contractor now. Self employed , making about 30.000$ a year and only working about 28 hours a week. I don't have to deal with anyone elses incompetence, other than my own.
I didn't borrow any money to go into business either.
I have one friend who owns his own restraunt and it probabaly has driven him crazy and destroyed a marriage.
I actually enjoy cooking again, now that it's just for my friends or privately catered deals I put togehter.

your manifesto describing this tribe should be framed and on display in many restraunts across the USA>

Godspeed.
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    Re: you said a "mouthfull"

    Tue, November 30, 2004 - 9:09 PM
    I've worked with some who are good cooks but its not cause of culinary school.In Nj the old luncheonettes have a lot of really good cooks that never used tickets ,,much less computers&did it all from memory.&cooked every thing perfectly.
    I worked w/this french chef michele who used to work at le becfin,his place was kinda dirty at the time although he made really great food,but not really that much better than anything I was used to make in Ca. in restaurants runned by stoned surfers.;
    I love it when someone is put in charge of a kitchen&they have 1 or 2 dws under them&they start referring to them selves as EXECUTIVE CHEFS!!¬ realizing that a real executive chef works from his office in a hotel&has other chefs under him who do the baking,alacarte,catering/banquets,,etc.at the bottom of my street thereis this little restaurant which am Italian restaurant[like we need anothe one in NJ!!!}I heard the other day that they were having a TACO night!!!to try&drum up business,the guy put a budweiser chalk board in the front window w/writing in magic marker saying that "our executive chef Chris Buttfucker was "perhaps the best chef in the Lehigh Valley.[never mind that we are across the state border from the delaware River]&he graduated from Le cordon Bleu,,,,,,,pittsburgh ,Pa,hahahahh!!!!!!!!!1
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      Re: you said a "mouthfull"

      Wed, December 1, 2004 - 6:50 PM
      I can recall a few chaulk board menu French restraunts from the 70s in Pa, and New England. They didn't have to have " signature " dishes". It was pretty much, whatever was cooking that night.
      Everythings so overblown now.
      I can't belive how close tables are put together, and how rushed the whole dinning experience has become.
      A four star continnental dinner in the mid 70s took a good three to four hours.
      Think about how joints turn tables nowadays.
      money sure screws art up?
      • Re: you said a "mouthfull"

        Thu, December 2, 2004 - 11:46 AM
        I dunno, you can still find a few places where it takes at least 2 hours minimum to dine, much longer if you like to actually ENJOY what you're doing.

        I don't like fast turn overs, I like to know who's eating my food and know that they appreciate it, as evidenced by how long they stay and what they are ordering.

        I may be just a pup, but I've got old school, and I mean really old school views on the world of food, farming and dining. I attribute that to my european family, and I thank them for giving that to me.
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          Re: you said a "mouthfull"

          Thu, December 2, 2004 - 7:33 PM
          were you raised in USA or in Europe?
          my experience with family culinary tradition has always been positive. I mean that whether they like it or not, ( carrying on the family business) folks from restrauntures families have a much better sense of what a "restraunt", and good food should be, then many culinary school folks.
          I'm not on a huge tirade against culinary education, but really, this is a hands on experience oriented trade.
          These schools/ Institutues are ripping kids and families off of $$$$$$ and it's kind of sickening.
          Anybody that want's to cook can start in a kitchen as maybe prep, maybe pantry, and then grill, then maybe sautee, and expediter/ the head chef.
          I fear that fine dinning has been transposed with a fast food/ Howard and Johnsons model of over thought cusine.
          Creativity on the dinner level and even a good Calzone, from the local pizza joint is becoming overworked.
          And the prices are alienating many working class folks away from their ethnic culinary roots twords taco bell, and Mcadonalds, because the corner Bistro is 70$ for a simple meal for two.
          The mom and pop joints are bein replaced by preplanned big buiness investment ventures, with DINKS ( double income, no kids ) yuppies as their target customers.
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            Re: you said a "mouthfull"

            Thu, December 2, 2004 - 7:47 PM
            Ive got a simple tomato chicken soup going right now, with some baby reds for thickening, and some high glutein(sic) biscuttes going in the oven , its a cold winter nite.
            The simplilest foods are so enjoyable after a hard days work.
            I wish i could Email a plate/ bowl to you.
            Maybe with Star Trek tech in the future, chefs will be abel to share cusine over the airwaves.
            • Re: you said a "mouthfull"

              Thu, December 2, 2004 - 10:38 PM
              I'm absorbing it via osmosis.

              To answer your question above. I was raise here in the states, my family, a farming family, coming from Germany, raised me to follow in thier steps.

              The farm is a sustainable agriculture farm, organic before organic was freaking fashionable. I learned to appreciate the preparation for planting, the entire process of planting and growing, the harvesting and the cycles that transpire throughout the year. I learned how to preserve foods for winter in the cellars, by both grandmothers and how to feel dozens of people at a time for a family meal. Our cattle were the most beautiful, healthy and tasty animals you've ever had, aside from maybe Kobe beef that is popular today (but that has it's own unique qualities and is a little silly and frivolous).

              I only pray that we never get to that Jetsons style of cuisine where we just pop in a tablet. I'll take a day slaving away in a sweltering kitchen anyday just to enjoy something that I can taste the pride in and know was made with tradition and handcrafted to be as visually appealing as it is brilliant on the palete.

              There is something to be said though for the schools. Once in a while they turn out a few people who genuinely don't get all cocky afterwards, rather, they still come out bright eyed and eager to learn more, but also have a little bith of background to carry with them.

              My cousin though, she went through CIA, cried almost every day of it, and came home to take the helm as Executive Chef only to sit at the desk and fret over the business end of it all. I don't see the point in going from no practical experience, to running the show right off the bat.

              Hmm, some of that may sound confusing, pardon my random though, lol.
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        Re: you said a "mouthfull"

        Thu, December 2, 2004 - 11:37 PM
        there are still places in the interior of pa. where you can buy a small old hotel&the liqour license for a resonable price.&if its low enough you could just be open 3 days&nights a week&draw in the farmers who work a week long on their farms&then want to get out for a while.
        what part of Pa. are you talking about?I used to work for michel faurier[?] he owns the Golden Pheasant in Erwinna, That 's the place I 'd love to own,,perfect for a brewpub&restaurant
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          Re: you said a "mouthfull"

          Sun, December 5, 2004 - 9:30 AM
          I used to live in Reading in the 70s, but that a long time ago and galaxy far away for me now.
          I'm a Ga boy/man and Live in metro Atlanta.

          Those amish sure can grow some food though?.

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